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Full Straw Poll Results

Posted by Andrew Moylan - June 19, 2007

On Sunday, I live-blogged the results of our Presidential Straw Poll with the promise that full results would follow. Well, here they are...

Just a note, we excluded a few write-in votes for non-living individuals like Jack Bauer and Josef Stalin. That was as close to a voting irregularity as we had.

We gave all attendees of our National Taxpayers Conference the ability to cast one vote in support of any of the top Republican or Democratic Presidential Candidates (official candidates, or those with exploratory committees, who are included in national polls). Their options were:

Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX), Fred Thompson (R-TN), Rudy Giuliani (R-NY), Jim Gilmore (R-VA), Sam Brownback (R-KS), John McCain (R-AZ), Tom Tancredo (R-CO), Mike Huckabee (R-AR), Tommy Thompson (R-WI), Mitt Romney (R-MA), Barack Obama (D-IL), Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Bill Richardson (D-NM), Joe Biden (D-DE), Chris Dodd (D-CT), John Edwards (D-NC), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Mike Gravel (D-AK), and the ever-present None of the Above.

They came out in this order...

1. Fred Thompson (R-TN) - 25.7%
2. Ron Paul (R-TX) - 16.7%
3. Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) - 12.5%
4. Mitt Romney (R-MA) - 9.0%
5. John McCain (R-AZ) - 5.6%

6. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) - 4.8%
7. Jim Gilmore (R-VA) - 4.2%
8. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) - 3.5% (all votes written in)
9(t). Sam Brownback (R-KS) - 2.1%
9(t). Duncan Hunter (R-CA) - 2.1%
9(t). Tom Tancredo (R-CO) - 2.1%

12(t). Dick Armey (R-TX) - 1.4% (all votes written in)
12(t). Hillary Clinton (D-NY) - 1.4%
12(t). Barack Obama (D-IL) - 1.4%
12(t). Tommy Thompson (R-WI) - 1.4%
16(t). Jeb Bush (R-FL) - 0.7% (all votes written in)
16(t). Tom Coburn (R-OK) - 0.7% (all votes written in)
16(t). Steve Forbes - 0.7% (all votes written in)
16(t). Mike Gravel (D-AK) - 0.7%
16(t). Bill Richardson (D-NM) - 0.7%

Thoughts?   Add Comment -


glen said on Jun 19 2007 at 4:26pm
Go, Ron Paul! He'll beat Thompson because he's anti-war! He'll beat Hillary because he's an honest man!


glen said on Jun 19 2007 at 4:30pm
I'll revise: He'll beat Hillary because he's an honest PERSON! He's also the only non-CFR, pro US-sovereignty candidate. Go Ron Paul! I love it!


glen said on Jun 19 2007 at 4:41pm
BTW: Fred Thompson is a member of the CFR who wants to dissolve the USA and create a new country, the North American Union, with Mexico and Canada. Sounds crazy, but its true. Look it up.


ehi said on Jun 19 2007 at 5:32pm
Where would I go to look up that spicy little bit of info? Prison Planet? Or some other 9/11 conspiracy website?


glen said on Jun 19 2007 at 6:02pm
How about some of these republican websites?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html
http://www.cfr.org/publication/7955/north_america_the_beautiful.html?breadcrumb=default

those work?


glen said on Jun 19 2007 at 6:26pm
Hey ehi, hard to take it straight from the horse's mouth? Get a clue; the North American Union is coming to a country near you - Unless you elect Ron Paul. Crazy conspiracy stuff huh?


Brewskie said on Jun 21 2007 at 9:20am
People just don't want to believe that there are really people out to destroy our country. I can't blame them, but they are going to have to face reality some day...before it's too late.

Here's another bit on CFR candidate Thompson (I call all candidates who belong to the CFR as CFR candidates):

http://www.freecentury.com/2007/06/19/cfr-candidate-thompson-force-must-be-option-with-iran/
http://www.freecentury.com/2007/06/19/cfr-candidate-continues-interventionist-rhetoric/
http://www.freecentury.com/2007/06/15/fred-thompson-whipping-up-interventionism/
http://www.freecentury.com/2007/06/13/the-cfr-and-the-2008-presidential-candidates/


Ehi said on Jun 21 2007 at 11:19am
I read those links and I must say I saw nothing that gave evidence to your claim that Fred Thompson (and/or the CFR) wants to "to dissolve the USA and create a new country."

It sounds crazy, I looked it up, and didn't find that it's true.


Zach Warren said on Jun 21 2007 at 2:48pm
O please, what rubbish this is. Fred Thompson has consistently raised taxes, and worked against the common man, while in the Senate and while a lobbyist for GE, for 18 years. His political record is a joke, and he certainly is not the tax payers best friend, like Ron Paul is. =)


Fascist Nation said on Jun 21 2007 at 3:49pm
I was surprised that Tancredo, who places very high consistently in the NTU rankings, placed so low in your poll.

Ron Paul is of course within the top three out of 435 EVERY year.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Editorial-Page.htm?InfoNo=020229

see table


Fascist Nation said on Jun 21 2007 at 3:53pm
It would be nice to have vote totals and the count for NOTA.


josh said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:21am
ehi...try googling

"BUILDING A NORTH AMERICAN COMMUNITY"

It's a CFR written document by Robert Pastor.

Get a clue.


said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:25am
Ehi : Are you not aware of the NAFTA Superhighway? The text of NAFTA/CAFTA?
Are you so blind that your insipid behavior places you in a state of denial about the truth?
The only conspiracy is that which those in power are trying to push upon the public as the final word. Stop drinking the koolaid and wake up.
Ron Paul For President in 2008!!!


P. Nicholson said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:26am
RON PAUL 2008!!


Paul in Oregon said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:29am
Hey, I think Ron Paul is great. The only candidate I have seen so far to whom I would give my vote. But let's be real here folks - Ron Paul has about as much chance of winning the presidency as I do. Even if he were to run and get the most votes, he'd still lose. Get my meaning?


Steve said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:36am
Some videos for the likes of ehi, who obviously refuses to believe anything unless it's on the TV:

1. CNN - Lou Dobbs: North American Union (4:15) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

(Quick poll at the end of the segment: "Do you think maybe someone should take a vote, if we're going to merge Canada, Mexico and the United States?")

2. CNN - Lou Dobbs: North American Union Orwellian Brave New World (3:42) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

3. CNBC - The Amero - The coming North American Currency (2:15) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

4. Connie Fogal On The Corporate North American Union (54 mins, 5 stars) - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1355300745194023737&q=north+american+union

5. Pretext For The North American Union (NAU): Intro, Part 1 & Part 2 (SPP) (38 mins) - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2268341860482102257&q=north+american+union

6. The Dangers of the "North American Union" (27 mins, 4.5 stars) - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5581854975245721437&q=north+american+union


Vic said on Jun 22 2007 at 10:38am
Thompson is a joke. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate with any balls or honesty. If elections werent tampered with in this "democracy", he'd beat em all hands down. The NWO will never let that happen though.


Ken Hall said on Jun 22 2007 at 11:12am
the North American Union is real, just as there is a summit for the leaders of the EU where they are giving up more national soveriegnty to create a country called Europe. They are all stepping stones to a "unipolar world order" (look that one up)

As for they will never allow Ron Paul to be elected, I suspect that is true. However, we must all keep funding, and voting for him. Let's show these new world order globalists that we know what their undemocratic game is and we are not playing along anymore.

The powers that be must, in 2008, be forced to explain why Ron Paul would not be allowed to be president when he gets the most votes by a large margin.

Use the democracy that so many have fought and died for to vote for America.


Steve said on Jun 22 2007 at 11:15am
The chances are that by the 2008 election all the voting will be done electronically. If that happens the USA is fucked. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything" -- Joseph Stalin.


Mike said on Jun 22 2007 at 11:48am
The conference was held in Tennessee and a Tennessee congressman won. What a surprise. The real surprise is that Ron Paul was second.


Chuck Feney said on Jun 22 2007 at 12:02pm
Fred Thompson is just another poser / actor blustering for the camera while taking all the perks of the corporate big government lobbyist cabal. Republicans are waking up to the reality that this will be the last election for what we know as America if we don't elect Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo.
Paul / Tancedo in 2008!


ehi missed the connection said on Jun 22 2007 at 12:42pm
I think he just missed the connection. Here it is CFR wants North American Union- Fred Thompson member of CFR. See- in my line of work you have to "spell out the propaganda" over and over again.. for it to sink in.


The Truth Handler said on Jun 22 2007 at 12:59pm
Someone please forward these results to the MSM. They still seem to think Ron Paul is a "fringe" candidate.


Joe Plummer said on Jun 22 2007 at 1:02pm
Let's have a look at how the "European Union" is working out for the Brits. Remember, it was just a "trade deal" when it started...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1873065460899902775


Michael K said on Jun 22 2007 at 2:01pm
Why are the Iowa Christian Anti-tax groups excluding Ron Paul from their debates? This is all about the First Amendment. After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech forever, Ron Paul for President.
Last link (before Stark County District Library caves to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0


Anon said on Jun 22 2007 at 2:16pm
Hey Mike, for the record the Conference was held in Washington, DC not in Tennessee.


david said on Jun 22 2007 at 2:27pm
Thompson is the so-called "conservative" pushed by the party since the base is not buying Rudy or McCain. They hope Thompson will steal the thunder from Ron Paul's candidacy because Paul does mean substantial REAL change to the status quo. Once they saw how Paul was sweeping the debates they had to "rush" a faux-conservative into the mix. But Thompson with his recent junket to Israel has already shown he will take orders from Tel Aviv and put America's interests dead last once again, like the Bush-Cheney junta.


david said on Jun 22 2007 at 2:34pm
To Michael K: as to why the Iowa anti-tax group is pretending Ron Paul doesn't exist by not inviting him to the Iowa debate, it's because of this: Ed Failor of Iowans For Tax Relief is a SENIOR ADVISOR to the John McCain campaign! Iowans For Tax Relief is as much about "tax relief" as Mr. Bush is for pro-constitution! (And I'm a lifelong Republican.)


Wes said on Jun 22 2007 at 2:49pm
Ron Paul 2008!!! If he is going to win, we need to go all out with our support for him. He deserves it! No one else is going to represent US or this country!


ray said on Jun 22 2007 at 3:33pm
You can tell none of the insider republican candidates have any traction so they are putting up Thompson. Why? Thompson is an insider and he appeals to the poor white christian crazys that washington fears. GW Bush was their last idiot puppet.

Ron Paul however not only represents republican values, he represents values that all america can vote for.

Their worst fear is that america will unite since they use divide and conquer to press half of america against the other. Divide and conquer is military stratigy 101. GO RON PAUL! America Unite and don't let them divide you. The polls are false - Bush has a 8% approval and as for them... You can't fix stupid. Ignore them.


dicktater said on Jun 22 2007 at 3:34pm
Why are the Iowa Christian Anti-tax groups excluding Ron Paul from their debates?

Because this Christian group loves war. And because the head of the tax group, Iowans for Tax relief, would lose his job, salary, and status if RP smacks the IRS and fed. Then he'd be flippin' burgers.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!


Jeff said on Jun 22 2007 at 3:58pm
Why is the NTU (through its subsidiary, Iowans for Tax Relief) blacklisting Ron Paul from the Iowa candidate forum?

Ron Paul is the taxpayers best friend, the NTU should take a stand FOR RON PAUL, not against him!


Steve Heath said on Jun 22 2007 at 4:26pm
25% for Fred Thompson? Boy there are a lot of people who need some enlightenment. Let's all jump on the Thompson bandwagon - give us someone who can beat Hillary - these are the cries of desparation we are hearing.

There is only one candidate worthy of consideration of all listed on the poll results --- RON PAUL. I repeat: RON PAUL.

He is also the only candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton - without Ron Paul on the top of the ticket, the Republicans will suffer the bloodbath they richly deserve.


ed briggs said on Jun 22 2007 at 4:53pm
ehi comment regarding the north american union (nau or spp) is typical of the kool-aid crowd response to having ones head in the sand. ehi, take a look at

http://www.narconews.com/Issue46/article2691.html

take the time to read it and follow the links. i am outside already, i've seen this insanity coming for several years now. if ron paul is not elected as president in 2008 you will see even more of your freedoms ripped away. there are no other candidates from either party that have the integrity to lead our nation. i like fred thompson, i do not like nor should you anyone or anything that has a relationship with the cfr. what a tragic shame our country has been reduced that one similar to nazi germany !! Ron Paul is our only hope !!


martin said on Jun 22 2007 at 5:21pm
Even the faux conservative World Net Daily points out Fred Thompson's globalist connection. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55776
But their editor came out against Ron Paul
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56177
Which goes to show even in the 'Paleo' conservative movement the Israeli lobby rules.


muni said on Jun 22 2007 at 5:46pm

Go Ron Paul !


yet another Ron Paul supporter said on Jun 22 2007 at 6:02pm
By this time it is quite clear that Ron Paul is a serious and viable candidate. The current mess in Iowa just confirms how much the deep establishment is scared of the people and of Ron Paul.


an american said on Jun 22 2007 at 8:06pm
Go Ron Paul


Kimmer said on Jun 22 2007 at 8:21pm
I'm for Ron Paul, but he'll never get elected with hackable, paperless, electronic voting machines (if he doesn't get Wellstoned first).


Iconoclastic Sage said on Jun 22 2007 at 8:46pm
Guiliani is the only man who can save us from the terrorists who want to chop off our heads.


Justin Mckay said on Jun 22 2007 at 8:54pm


Justin Mckay said on Jun 22 2007 at 9:06pm
Everone is concerned about Fred Thompson's membership of the CFR. Ok, so he's on there? Now what? ????????????? Who cares? That's not even an issue. Why not talk about his voting record or what his stances are one? The CFR I believe has become more of a country club now that Barbara Walters is a member. He is free to join any organization he wants.


Gail said on Jun 22 2007 at 9:42pm
Fred Thompson, WOW. Lobbied for the savings and loan industry. (Neil Bush, Silverado Savings and Loan, Colorado Springs, colo.) Thompson is supported by George P. Bush, the son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. George P. Bush is a lawyer for Charter Holdings is a Dallas based diversified real estate investment company involved in the ownership of commercial real estate properties in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and Colorado Springs, Colorado. Hummmm... Thompson can also be linked to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) a controversial neo-conservative, American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that has influenced our foreign policy up to the present debacle in Iraq and a possible pre-emptive strike on Iran. Thompson is just Another good old boy goose stepping along with the Neo-cons. Take a look at every candidate Republican and Democrat, check their records and stands on the issues and you will see that they all have turned against the Principal of the "rule of Law" and their sworn oath of office to "protect, uphold and serve the Constitution of this Republic" the lone exception is Dr. Ron Paul with a 20 year congressional voting record of NEVER voting for legislation that is un-constitutional. Americans have been divided by the media and the neo-cons to a point that we are so fragmented that we cannot see the forest for the trees. I would say to you we all need to unite as ONE and return to the founding principals (Constitution and Bill of Rights) that gave us our individual Liberty and Freedoms, then we will once again be that shining beacon that is an example to the world and that peoples everywhere would want to emulate. The hour is late (11th hour) look into your hearts and souls and decide what is the direction you want our Republic to go. There is hope, vote for Ron Paul and start to turn this Republic back in the right direction


Justin said on Jun 22 2007 at 9:53pm
Did a google search for Fred Thompsons voting record during his term as Senator. . He voted in the Senate 83% of the time in lock step with John McCain. Nuf said.
Declared one of the laziest Senators. He even wrote in his High School year book, "Being lazy gives me more to look forward to tomorrow"


Patriot said on Jun 22 2007 at 9:54pm
COMMON SENSE FOLLOWS ----


Ron paul is the best option, but like others said, since we feebly left electronic voting intact, it will just be rigged again.

HOWEVER, the point is, that enough people vote for Paul so its easily seen as a landslide, and even with vote rigging it becomes obvious. If this happens, we may have a true chance of revolt, which is our only option at this point.

I repeat. Ron paul is the best candidate, but even if he DOES win, he wont win. The point is, we may achieve a revolt if the vote rigging is blatantly obvious once again.


lefty said on Jun 22 2007 at 11:04pm
You got to be thankful that Ron Paul even showed up, let alone 2nd out of all those yes people. The real thing we must be very concerned about is the safety of Mr. Paul. As the noose tightens, crazy people do crazy things. I am very concerned about this more than anything being rigged. All those evil people, and then there's Congressman Paul. The last person that held his same beliefs was the gentleman that got hit by the CIA in Dallas in '63'. He wanted to do the same things as Paul, and the militay industrial complex was just getting started. God Bless America, and god bless Congressman Ron Paul. Just to let you know, I have been a democrat since I could vote. This is how much I think of Mr. Paul. I thought I'd never think that. It must be a dream.


Jack D. Loveland, CO said on Jun 23 2007 at 1:47am
Anyone who is surprised at Ron Pauls success hasn't done their homework and still hasn't figured out yet that the main stream media is and has been in bed with the so called top tier candidates of both parties. Think I am full of it? Do a search on Google for any candidate then search for Ron Paul and see how many hits each gets. The only thing that surprises me is how ignorant most people are and how they could possibly miss out on the greatest candidate since George Washington. Try watching some videos of Ron on the subject of income tax and it wont take long to see just how ignorant you are.


About the NAU... said on Jun 23 2007 at 4:07am
It's definitely true that Fred Thompson wants to create the North American Union. It is exaggerated to say that the NAU will immediately destroy the US, Canada and/or Mexico, but to see that that's the long term goal, all you have to do is look at Europe.

50 years ago, a "European Economic Community" (EEC) was started, initially as a set of trade agreements (just like NAFTA and CAFTA).

Later it became the European Community (EC), with lots of government responsibilities transferred from the individual nations to the EC.

Shortly after, it became the European Union (EU), which pretty much has its own government that can overrule the nations.
Politicians in individual EU countries use the EU to push unpopular rules they could never get approved inside their country (e.g. the German government wants to increase the VAT tax. The people are overwhelmingly against it, so the German government goes to the EU, and returns with a EU request to "equalize the VAT across EU nations". Then they say "See, we don't want to increase the VAT tax, but the EU forces us to. We're the good guys."

Presently, the EU is writing its own constitution to obsolete all the national constitutions of its members.

The EU commission (basically the equivalent of a country's cabinet) is not democratically elected.

There is every indication that NAFTA, CAFTA and NAU will be the exact same thing, just for a different region (what's the next step? NAU and EU merging into a WICU ("Western Industrial Countries Union"))

Stop it before it's too late. Stop Bush, stop Thompson, stop Rudy McRomney, stop John-Barak Clinton.

Support Mike Gravel and Ron Paul.


Rafa said on Jun 23 2007 at 8:10am
As much as I would like to see Ron Paul as the Republican frontrunner, I know that those who are really in power (controlling both parties) would resort to assassination should their marginalization of Ron Paul not succeed.


Zed said on Jun 23 2007 at 3:37pm
"North America is different from other regions of the world and
must find itsowncooperative route forward.AnewNorthAmerican
community should rely more on the market and less on bureaucracy,
more on pragmatic solutions to shared problems than on grand
schemes of confederation or union, such as those in Europe. We
must maintain respect for each otherís national sovereignty." --Building A North American Community, Council on Foreign Relations, Page 6

Read the document then make YOUR OWN conclusions.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html

Another hint: Search that document for "union." You will find no mention of the so-called "North American Union."


Travis said on Jun 25 2007 at 1:23am
Ron Paul is the tax-payers best friend.


Karla said on Jun 26 2007 at 8:50am
Good grief people...A vote for Fred thompson is a vote for George W. Bush. The real and true candidate for the american citizen can only be found in RON PAUL IN "08"!


Dave said on Jun 28 2007 at 9:38am
If Ron Paul does not win, it is time to forcefully take our country back! This is the revolutionary war all over again.


squidink said on Jul 01 2007 at 6:08pm
Fred Thompson? Would you buy a horse with lymphoma? Even if it was "in remission"?


ZoomerzMom said on Aug 20 2007 at 2:14pm
At last! People have a NAME to vote for when None of the Above is their only option! Go Ron Paul!


eggmunkee said on Aug 20 2007 at 11:09pm
So if they just say it's a community, than it can't be a Union, I see. How did the European UNION come about? Well, first it was a Trade Agreement, then it was a Community, then it became a Union. During one of the meetings, President Bush referred to it as a Union, oops! Slip of the tongue. Well, that's a good lawyer's argument, but it's also bs. The point was not the name, but what IS being built, and you've already given up on that point, so you're just playing word games now.


lisa said on Oct 16 2007 at 9:35pm
if you all look at EVERY one of these comments over 95% of us are cheering RON PAUL.. it will be totally obvious that our, the america people, votes really dont count. and indeed, this country is run by big business.. i think america has spoken.. and i can only hear..

join americas SECOND revolution
install the PAUL 2008

http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom


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